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The 89th Academy Awards ceremony will take place this Sunday, February 26, but before the big show starts, I'd like to take a stroll down memory lane to the 79th Academy Awards ten years ago in 2007, when Ellen DeGeneres was the host and Abigail Breslin was a nominee.


Then age ten, Abigail was nominated for Best Supporting Actress for Little Miss Sunshine, which she lost to Jennifer Hudson for Dreamgirls.


Before the ceremony, Abigail took this snapshot in her Oscar dress with her longtime friend Skye McCole Bartusiak, then age 15. Tragically, Skye died of an accidental overdose in 2014, at age 21.


Abigail attended the show with her parents and her Curious George doll (seen above, as she talks to a reporter). She took Curious George to several events from 2006-07 (you can see them all here) and was "really sad" when she lost him at a hotel in 2008: "I went to the Polo Lounge, and I was eating lunch. I put him under the table, and I left him, and when we called [afterwards], he wasn't there anymore." When Abigail visited Universal Studios in the summer of that year, she made sure to take a photo with Curious George.



Abgail also presented the Oscar for Best Short Film together with Jaden Smith, then age eight. Abigail would go on to star with Jaden's sister Willow in her 2008 film, Kit Kittredge: An American Girl.


At the Oscars, Abigail got to meet one of her favorite actresses, Meryl Streep, who was (as always) nominated for Best Actress for The Devil Wears Prada (which went to Helen Mirren for The Queen). Abigail would eventually work with Streep herself, in 2013's August: Osage County, where she played her granddaughter.



Abigail made all the awards-show rounds for Little Miss Sunshine, including attending the Critics Choice Awards, where she won Best Young Actress, and the SAG Awards, where the cast won Outstanding Ensemble.


Then and Now: Abgail age 10 at the 2007 Oscar Luncheon, and age 20 at 2016 Comic Con. She has been working steadily and doing so well since her Oscar nomination. I just wish she would go back to her natural hair color.

Be sure to watch the 2017 Oscars this Sunday! Former young actress Emma Stone will likely win Best Actress for La La Land, and Natalie Portman is nominated in the same category for Jackie. Scarlett Johansson and previous nominee Hailee Steinfeld, 20, will present, and Auli'i Cravalho, 16, will perform "How Far I'll Go" from Moana.
Several current and former young actresses can be seen on HBO's new dark comedy miniseries Big Little Lies, about the families of students at a public school. Over the show's seven episodes, the seemingly perfect lives of four mothers (Shailene Woodley, Reese Witherspoon, Nicole Kidman, and Laura Dern) unravel to the point of murder. Here are some actresses who were at the series premiere, held on February 7 at the TCL Chinese Theatre.


In the show's first episode, which just aired February 19, battle lines are drawn after Laura Dern's daughter Ivy George, 9 (Paranormal Activity: The Ghost Dimension), is found with choke marks on her neck and accuses Shailene Woodley's son of attacking her. He denies it, and she believes him, leading other moms to take sides.


Despite her happy second marriage, Reese Witherspoon is still jealous that her ex-husband has also happily remarried, to young yoga instructor Zoe Kravitz (who previously worked with Shailene in Divergent). Their daughter Chloe Coleman, 8 (above, with Nicole Kidman), is in the same class as Reese's daughter from her second marriage, Darby Camp.


Darby Camp and mom Reese befriend Shailene and her son Ian Armitage (above, with Darby) on the first day of school and stand up for them during the choking accusation.


Group shot of all the show's kid stars: Ivy, Darby, and Chloe on the right.


Besides Ivy, the show features another Paranormal Activity alumni, Kathryn Newton, 20 (above, with Chloe), Reese's teenage daughter from her first marriage. Reese feels threatened by Kathryn's expected moodiness, and by how close Kathryn has grown to Zoe and her half-sister Chloe. Kathryn turned 20 on February 8, the day after this premiere.



Shailene Woodley, 25, plays the youngest mom of the show, and the only working-class single parent. This premiere was Shailene's first real "Hollywood" event in some time. Since she was arrested at a protest at Standing Rock Reservation last year, she's been more of an activist than an actress, a trend that I approve and credit to Emma Watson.


Reese Witherspoon, 40, was accompanied to the premiere by her look-alike daughter Ava Phillippe, 17.
Film: Ghost World (2001). Young Actresses: Thora Birch, 18, and Scarlett Johansson, 16.

Based on a classic cult comic book of the same name, Ghost World opens at the high school graduation ceremony for longtime best friends Enid (Thora) and Rebecca (Scarlett). Enid, something of the leader between the two, is cynical and proud of her outsider status; she scoffs, "That's exactly the type of thing we're trying to avoid" when another students tells them his plans for college. But Rebecca is less sure of herself. She still wants to carry out the plan that she and Enid made in seventh grade, to get jobs and move into their own apartment.

But Enid becomes more interested in forging a friendship with Seymour (Steve Buscemi), a lonely, middle-aged man whom the girls meet after playing a prank on him. Seymour has few friends or hobbies outside of collecting obscure blues records, and Enid admires him for being an outsider like herself. "He's such a clueless dork, he's almost kinda cool," she tells Rebecca. With no real interests in anything else, Enid spends much of the summer attending an art class (she's a talented artist, but doesn't want to do anything with it) and trying to set Seymour up on dates. When Rebecca pressures her, she gets a job, but she chafes at having to follow rules (like not making snarky comments to customers) and gets fired almost on her first day.



Enid and Rebecca at a post-graduation party

Although Scarlett gives a strong supporting performance, Ghost World really belongs to Thora, and I'm impressed by how well she carries it. Her performance as Enid feels so natural and real; her face and voice (Enid does a lot of deadpan) suit the character in a way that makes it hard for me to imagine any other young actress playing her. Enid is familiar – she is that punky, goth girl that we all remember from high school – but seen in a new, intimate way, with Thora giving her a real vulnerability beneath her apathetic front. At one point, the film cuts from Enid angrily arguing with Rebecca, to her crying in her bedroom afterwards.

I can see how Enid's moodiness would make viewers hate her, but in a way, she reminds me of The Catcher in the Rye's Holden Caulfield – both of them lonely teenagers with no direction or plans for their future, unable to fit into the adult world. I also think that with so many films about grown men learning to act like adults (Wish I Was Here was the worst one, but see Lamb for a breakdown of more), one about a teenage girl is warranted and refreshing. Enid takes people for granted and feels lost and betrayed when Rebecca, who gets a job shortly after graduation, begins moving away from her influence. Then Seymour, with her help, actually does get a girlfriend and wants to spend less time with Enid, who doesn't understand why their friendship could be seen as inappropriate.

But there's a lot more to enjoy about Ghost World besides Thora's performance. The film paints an interesting portrait of American suburban life and the eccentric, disillusioned people who live there. It also makes smart points about altering your personality to fit in or be liked, vs. staying true to yourself. Enid takes staying true to yourself to an extreme degree, but it's left up to the viewer to decide whether she doesn't change her ways simply because she doesn't want to, or because she doesn't know how.



To put off getting a job, Enid has a yard sale

Another notable aspect of the film to me is how these characters mirror Thora and Scarlett's careers to some degree. Rebecca gets a job and moves into the adult world quickly after graduation, just as Scarlett was able to transition from kid roles into full-fledged adult stardom. But for Enid and Thora, that transition has been a little bumpier. After receiving many Young Artist and Young Hollywood wins and nominations for her childhood work, Thora said in this interview that her roles began drying up when she wouldn't conform to Hollywood's expectations: "I just felt like I was making people angry, because I wouldn't wear the frilly bows. I just didn't take advice and I think people got pissed off at me for not taking advice." She almost completely quit acting from 2012-16, but she currently has three films set for release in 2017, so perhaps she is making a comeback. Her performance in Ghost World leaves no doubt that she has the talent for one.

LINKS
Other reviews of Scarlett's films: We Bought a Zoo (2011).
The 48th NAACP Image Awards
Held on February 11, 2017, in Pasadena, California. Hosted by Anthony Anderson.


Once again, it was a big night for the girls of Black-ish, Yara Shahidi, 17, above, and Marsai Martin. The show won Outstanding Comedy Series and several other awards.


Yara to the right of her TV parents Anthony Anderson (who also hosted!) and Tracee Ellis Ross as the cast takes the stage for Outstanding Comedy.


Marsai Martin, 12, won Outstanding Performance by a Youth for Black-ish (where she beat her TV brother, Miles Brown) and was nominated for Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series (where she lost to Tichina Arnold for Survivor's Remorse).


Marsai and Miles Brown, 11, taking goofy selfies at an after-party!


Former child actress Jurnee Smollett-Bell, now 30, was nominated for Outstanding Actress in a Drama Series for Underground, but she lost to Taraji P. Henson for Empire.

All posts on Awards Season 2017 here.
Previous posts on the NAACP Image Awards: 2016, 2015.
A few of the current and former child actresses who are at New York Fashion Week right now.


Fresh from her win at the SAG Awards, Millie Bobby Brown, 12, attended the Calvin Klein showing on February 10. Millie landed a major campaign with Calvin Klein last month, graces the cover of Entertainment Weekly this week (together with the other kid stars of Stranger Things), and will turn 13 on February 19.


Rowan Blanchard, 15, made her first public appearance since the cancellation of Girl Meets World at the Milly showing on February 10, where she sat next to Sami Gayle, 21 (Hateship Loveship).


Katherine McNamara, 21, Esther Kim, and Emeraude Toubia, 27, at the Milly showing on February 10.


Victoria Justice, who turns 24 next week, and Scarlett Johansson, 32, have both attended several events at Fashion Week, including the amfAR gala on February 8.


Brooke Shields, 51, whose provocative 1980 Calvin Klein ads made her a household name, attended the Calvin Klein showing on February 10, where she told a reporter, "It's both nostalgic and exciting — it feels like yesterday and at the same time it feels like a lifetime ago." While at the show, Brooke met new Calvin Klein model Millie Bobby Brown and took a selfie with her, posting it to Instagram with the caption, People thought she was my daughter. Wait til my girls hear that. Love all around.
An interview by Fangoria with Anya Taylor-Joy about her breakout role in The Witch (review here):

Fangoria: You must have loved going out to the middle of the Canadian wilderness to do The Witch.
Anya: It was amazing, and that location gave so much to the film. When we were in London for the [BFI] film festival, we were thinking, if we had made this movie there, or in a place that was less remote, we wouldn't have had the same experience, because real life would have run alongside us making the movie. When we shot The Witch, we literally gave up our normal lives, because we had no Wi-Fi, no cell service, and because we couldn't access our normal day-to-day support system, the only thing we had was each other, and that led us to the most incredible friendships and the love you can see in the film, and that we needed to make the film. It was tough going, and we didn't love the people we were working with and support them, it just wasn't going to happen.



An early shot of Anya as Thomasin

Fangoria: Was the script for The Witch as frightening on the page as the movie is to watch?
Anya: The first night I read the script before going in to tape my audition, I remember turning the last page and my body kind of collapsed in on itself. I was in this state of fear and anxiety, and I later realized that that's a feeling I'm going to be chasing for the rest of my life, because a script should be a story that I need to tell. I did not sleep that entire night, and I went in the next day so nervous and anxious, and I couldn't put my finger on it. I was like, what is it about this script? Is it the lyrical mannerisms of the language? Because I find it sort of strange that upon first cracking it open, I didn't really think about the fact that it was written in Jacobean English; it just seemed so natural. I love poetry, and it felt so lyrical and poetic.

The second thing that struck me about it was that I was brought up Catholic, and there were certain lines in the script that shook me in a level that was so deeply embedded in my consciousness. I became aware that it wasn't my fear, but an ancestral fear I've inherited that does not belong to me, and that I really wanted to convey that to people.

Fangoria: You play Thomasin with a British accent, though you don't have one in real life, yet you hail from England.
Anya: Well, I was born in the US, but I've never lived here, and the reason I sound so American to you right now is because I spent my first several years in Argentina, which is where the majority of my family is from. So I spoke Spanish until I was 8 and didn't learn English until then. We moved to London when I was 6, but I was stubborn; I wanted to go back home and refused to learn the language, 'cause... kids. When I started speaking English, I have this thing where I mimic the people I'm around; I can't help it, it's sort of a Joe Wright Hanna adapt-or-die mentality or something. But it was actually helpful during The Witch, because Northern Yorkshire isn't an accent that's particularly easy to master unless you have this weird thing I have. I would sit down with the youngest actor, Lucas Dawson, who was 6 and has a beautiful, broad Yorkshire accent, and we'd talk for a couple of minutes before the scene, and then I'd go in and be like, this is the way my mouth moves now. This is the sound that comes out.

Fangoria: While inhabiting the role of Thomasin so fully, when you were out in the woods in this lonely territory, dealing with all this scary stuff, did that start to affect you on the inside, and impact your performance?
Anya: Well, thank God I'm not Method, because the film would have been impossible to do. A lot of people find it very strange that we had the best time making this movie. It was technically difficult; we were fighting the elements and the kids' hours, and the animals and trying to stay out of the sun and picking the buds off trees so we could still believe it was winter. We worked very hard in that aspect, but when they called "Cut," we would laugh and dance and had a very, very good time.

However, when the shoot ended, I was unbelievably depressed. I couldn't understand where that came from, and I realized that it wasn't from the movie having finished or leaving the people, because they're still my family, and we see each other all the time. I realized that Thomasin was real for me and I missed her intensely, and I was devastated that I wasn't going to get to play her again. We did a couple of reshoots, and putting on the costume and embracing the character again was... I don't think I've cried that much in a very long time.

[Director Robert Eggers] was very kind, and I think he knew, because it was my first feature, that I was going to freak out, so he was like, "Why don't we watch it before the volunteer screening, just so you're prepared." I wish this wasn't the case, but I guess actors have a lot of insecurities, and my first thought after watching the film was that I was so terrible that I would have to go be an accountant, my first movie was going to be my last and I was so disappointed in myself. Then I went to the screening and saw other people's reactions and thought, "What? Really? OK, it's all right, I guess." I actually considered not watching my performance, and then I was like, how arrogant would I be if I didn't want to see this movie, because this is everyone else's work too. I wanted to be able to watch the film and be like, props, damn good job, we struggled that day and pulled it off beautifully.



A blood-splattered Thomasin in the film's final scene

Fangoria: Robert Eggers talked about how much trouble Ralph Ineson had with Charlie the goat. Did you have any problems with Charlie or any of the other animals?
Anya: Charlie and I actually got along really well, but that's because I love animals, and we would just hang out. I loved the horse, Lady; she's the most magnificent specimen ever, and all the animals were great, apart from the way Charlie treated Ralph, and the fact that he wouldn’t really do anything he was supposed to do.

Fangoria: The film eventually takes Thomasin into some very disturbing areas. Was it especially difficult to get into the mindset for those scenes?
Anya: I have a very overactive imagination, and I had the most unbelievable empathy for Thomasin. I wanted to tell her story right, and if you care that much about a character and are impassioned about her, it's easy to get into that state, because you don't want to let her down. Actually, the hardest scene in terms of the emotional response behind it was the big one between me and Kate. We talked about it from the beginning, and we both decided that we were going to go for it. It was insane, and it must have been very strange for the crew, because you had these two women who would still be hysterically crying after they called "Cut." We just wouldn't be able to hold it back, and then we'd have to go again and again and again.

Fangoria: Is horror something you want to continue exploring, and does it offer more opportunities than other kinds of movies?
Anya: That's a very interesting question. I can say that while, yes, The Witch is a horror movie, from the point of view of the actors, we were making a family drama. And from Rob's point of view, we were making a fairy tale. I don't really understand the necessity of putting things in a box, rather than just creating a piece of art and saying, "It can be whatever you want to call it." However, I will say that in this genre, the characters can be beautifully flawed in a way a lot of other movies are too scared to show. When you make these kinds of movies with these great auteurs, they want to show the ugly side of humanity, which people don't really want to talk about. They want a Disneyfied, sanitized version rather than the truth, and I think the truth is always so much more beautiful.
Film: Lost River (2014). Young Actress: Saoirse Ronan, age 19.

This bizarre, boring directorial debut from Ryan Gosling (The Nice Guys) follows a single mom (Christina Hendricks, Ginger & Rosa) struggling to keep her house in a poor, crumbling city. She gets a job doing slasher shows in a seedy nightclub, while her teenage son Bones (Ian DeCaestecker, about six years Saoirse's senior) strips abandoned houses and sells the metal to junkyards, but he earns the enmity of a local gang leader, The Bully (Ben Mendelsohn), when he strips a house on his turf. Saoirse has a large supporting role as their neighbor Rat (so called because she has a pet rat), who serves as something of an exposition piece. She tells Bones a local legend about how a river was dammed and a smaller town flooded to build their city; this cast a curse on the city, making life there perpetually crappy.



Saoirse as Rat

Lost River starts out well enough, interspersing the characters' gritty, real-world problems with slow, dreamlike pans of the city or long shots of things like an abandoned house on fire. But soon, the surreal elements take over to a damaging degree, and too much of the film is just weird for the sake of being weird. There are a lot of unique visuals, but they aren’t enough to make up for the dull pace and complete lack of cohesion.

Lost River was filmed around the same time as The Grand Budapest Hotel, and Saoirse’s roles in both are basically the same: the supportive love interest for the young male lead. She does the best that she can with the material, but even for Saoirse fans, her part isn't enough to make the movie worth watching. As Rat, you can practically see her just treading water, waiting for that ship to Brooklyn.

LINKS
Premiered at the 2014 Cannes Film Festival.
Other review of Saoirse's films: The Lovely Bones (2009), The Grand Budapest Hotel (2014), Brooklyn (2015).
The 23rd Annual Screen Actors Guild Awards
Held January 29, 2017, at the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles.



Saniyya Sidney, 10, attending the event for the first time, won Outstanding Ensemble together with the cast of Hidden Figures. At right, she gets a hug onstage from costars Taraji P. Henson and Janelle Monae.


Aubrey Anderson-Emmons, 9, and Ariel Winter, who turned 19 on January 28 (the day before the ceremony) and attended with her boyfriend Levi Meaden, 29, were nominated along with the cast of Modern Family for Outstanding Ensemble: Comedy Series, which they lost to Orange Is the New Black. Sarah Hyland, who usually attends with them, skipped this year for "health reasons."


The movie family of the drama Captain Fantastic were nominated together for Oustanding Movie Ensemble, and they attended together and struck some seriously adorable poses on the red carpet. The film's three sisters, from left to right: Shree Crooks, 11, Annalise Basso, 19 (with movie dad Viggo Mortensen, nominated for Outstanding Actor), and Samantha Isler, 18.


Marsai Martin, 12, and Yara Shahidi, who turns 17 next month, were also nominated for Outstanding Ensemble: Comedy Series, along with the cast of Black-ish.


Millie Bobby Brown, 12, and Winona Ryder, 45, were both nominated for Outstanding Actress: Drama Series for Stranger Things, which they lost to Claire Foy for The Crown. They did win Outstanding Ensemble: Drama Series, along with the rest of the show's cast. Winona's bizarre facial expressions during David Harbour's acceptance speech quickly became an online sensation.


Maisie Williams, 19, and Sophie Turner, 20, were nominated along with the cast of Game of Thrones for Outstanding Ensemble: Drama Series, which they lost to Stranger Things. I really like the casual, sexy style of Sophie's dress.



Emma Stone, 28, and Natalie Portman, 35 (with her husband, French chereographer Benjamin Millepied), faced off against each other once again. (To recap, Natalie won at Critics Choice in December, but Emma won at the Golden Globes earlier this month.) This time, Emma won Outstanding Actress for La La Land, beating Natalie, who was nominated for Jackie.


Evan Rachel Wood, 29, was nominated with the cast of Westworld for Outstanding Ensemble: Drama Series (which lost to Stranger Things), and Anna Chlumsky, 36, was nominated with the cast of Veep for Outstanding Ensemble: Comedy Series (which lost to Orange Is the New Black).

All posts on Awards Season 2017 here.
All posts on the SAG Awards here.
The annual Sundance Film Festival is happening now in Park City, Utah, and here are a few of the young actresses who are there.


Elle Fanning, 18, wore this feminine tuxedo to the premiere of her new romantic drama film Sidney Hall, with Michelle Monaghan and Margaret Qualley, at Eccles Center Theatre on January 25. Elle and Dakota have attended Sundance several times over the years, and Elle has been going to a lot of events this year.


Ciara Bravo, 19, attends the premiere of her anorexia drama To the Bone at Eccles Center Theatre on January 22.


Anya Taylor-Joy, 20, attends the premiere of her new film Thoroughbred, with Olivia Cooke and director Cory Finley, at the PepsiCo's Creators League Studio on January 21. The teen thriller movie also stars the late Anton Yelchin.


Shailene Woodley, 25, speaks at an event in support of the Standing Rock Reservation resistance at Zoom Restaurant on January 23.



Kristen Stewart, 26, gives two thumbs-up at the premiere of Come Swim at Prospector Square on January 19. Kristen also participated in the women's rights march in Park City.
Transcribed from the DVD of A Little Romance (review here), an interview with Diane Lane about her first film:

"When I got the job, I was so amazed to actually -- I'm going to be in a movie, you know? Rather than just auditioning and never really thought about what's involved in doing a movie. I was doing a play at, uh, the Public Theater called Runaways. [Director] George Roy Hill came and saw me in the play, and that was pretty rare, for the director to be able to see if the performer can perform, considering that I had never done a movie, and there was something he could see. It was interesting to me too because, um, down the road, after we'd had rehearsal time in Malibu, California, which to me being a New York City kid was... really bizarre, and I met the French boy Thelonious Bernard, I remember George saying to me, 'Now today, I want you to really cry. No more talkin' about, no more almost and we know you'll be crying in this scene when you do it. You're gonna do it.' And I was like, I am?



Diane in her first scene as Lauren

"When we started to rehearse with Laurence Olivier in Paris, the stakes went up. And to work with Lord Larry, as we jokingly referred to him to his face, because he said immediately, 'Call me Larry, please.' You know, he was very sort of uncomfortable with the royal family's bequeathing him with the title and all of this sort of business. And um, it-it's hard for me to separate the quote that has endured, that he called me the new Grace Kelley. He spoke about me in the media, and um, I read it, and it was wonderful to sort of have that forever in quotes from him. But my experience of him and the warmth and the education of working with somebody of that caliber and how it raises the standards of everyone around, right in the beginning of my career, I had no idea how good I had it, you know? I just thought it was always going to be that professional.

"I have many memories of Larry. I still -- it's awkward to call Olivier Larry, but there it is. And he was -- he always wanted to shirk that moat that was between him and other people that was imposed on him by his stature and status as an actor. Um, and he just wanted to be one of the guys and go to dinner with everybody in the crew. It was funny, he would tell off-color jokes about the royal family [laughs], and so I got to see many sides of him. And obviously in hindsight, as soon as the film finished shooting, I realized how generous he had been and how he could have chosen otherwise. Certainly it served him to be that way with me, but at the same time, it didn't have to go that well.



Lauren and Daniel (Thelonious Bernard)

"I often that the reason I was right for the role was because precocious was a word that was used a lot at me. And it's very awkward to be that age when you are a-a bit of a wise soul. Because people don't want you to own that much that young, you know? And Lauren and I had that in common. She was an intellectual, I mean, she was a very well-read girl and read Heidegger and was considering existentialism, which we see in the film and literally had a very high IQ. You see hints of the woman to come, but she's, uh -- don't forget, it was 1978, you know? It was a softer time in terms of female and their self image. She was all femme, very girl.

"It's interesting about what scene is difficult for an actor because in this movie, it was the scene where we all confess our truths to each other and our disappointments in each other and our suspicions of each other. And, um, Olivier's character decides that we should go on and create the dream anyway and make it real. And that was a hard scene for me, and I was never happy with it when I saw it. [shrugs] Just, as an actor, you -- that's not an uncommon experience. Because I didn't have a lot of options yet, inside of myself as an actor, as to how I would convey what I had in mind and to satisfy the scene. I was just raw and doing the way I would do it. And I sounded so whiny to me. [laughs] I just sounded so whiny. But that's how young girls are when they're vulnerable and crying. They sound like they're whining.

"The goodbye is my favorite scene because I really felt it. We shot it in sequence because George was smart that way. Of course, he's George Roy Hill, and, uh, when we were saying goodbye, I was really saying goodbye to Olivier and [fans her face] it makes me teary. Sorry. And, um, I did, I felt very grateful to him so when I hugged him, it was real.



The kids meet Julius (Laurence Olivier)

"Since it was the first film I ever did, it's very close to my heart. Especially because it was so good and because it was the turning point in my life that decided my fate because... it was a pleasant experience and I learned I could do it, and, uh, it was kind of the end of my childhood in the sense that [takes a deep breath] that was the beginning of my career. Unwittingly, very unwittingly. I had no idea, but in hindsight, that was where the hairpin turn came, and the rest, uh, the rest of is history. I'm just very pleased that the movie still touches people."
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